TW: Death, abortion, rape

How to love your life by understanding death- whether you have an irrepressible zest for life or you’re struggling to find joy and make this life make sense, we can all connect more deeply with life through its opposite… death.

This is part one of an absolutely fascinating (and quite fun) interview with Dr. Mary Helen Hensley where we re-examine our relationship with death and life. Dr. Mary Helen brings her insights into the human nervous system through her work as a chiropractor, author, and healer, with a very unique twist- she had a near-death experience in her twenties that changed everything.

Dr. Mary Helen shares the story of her near-death experience as well as her deep connection to the spiritual realm as a child, despite growing up in a household that didn’t naturally accept her gifts. With Dr. Mary Helen’s Astrological chart on hand, Debra immediately connects Dr. Mary Helen’s experiences beyond the veil with components of her chart.

This conversation holds practical, easy-to-understand analogies and insights on what happens beyond this life, and through a richer understanding of our karmic paths (as indicated through our Astrological charts) and what happens beyond life, we can lean more into loving our experience in this lifetime.

Get your copy of Dr. Mary Helen Hensley’s Promised by Heaven here: https://amzn.to/3UUCxD8

Key Highlights From The Episode

• How to love your life by understanding death and reexamining your relationships with life and death

• Incredible recollections from a near-death experience

• The relevance and importance of regulating your nervous system in the physical and spiritual realms

• Understanding the energies of Pisces, Aquarius, Taurus, Scorpio, and Gemini within different applications in a natal chart

• Insights from beyond the veil and beyond our human constructs of time

Timestamps

[0:46] Introducing the I Don’t Believe In Astrology Podcast and an introduction of our guest, Dr. Mary Helen Hensley

[1:45] “Having an affair on life” as we are called to re-examine our relationship with death and life

[2:21] Debra shares a personal story of dealing with death and honors her friend Tim in this conversation

[3:50] Dr. Mary introduces herself

[4:50] Interpreting Dr. Mary’s Astrological chart highlighting Pisces, Aquarius, Taurus, and Scorpio energy

[7:13] Dr. Mary shares about her upbringing with a southern baptist father

[8:44] Dr. Mary’s mother had the German measles while pregnant with her and her father’s “event” that helped give him clarity around Dr. Mary’s life path

[10:45] The importance of “Judge” in Dr. Mary’s story

[12:43] “The kitchen table talk” and Dr. Mary’s ability to see spirits

[13:40] Dr. Mary’s practical analogy around how she sees people in spirit

[14:38] Dr. Mary’s tells the story of her near death experience

[17:38] Details around Dr. Mary’s out of body experience and the awareness of being “the master of your own ship”

[19:20] Debra seeks confirmation around a premonition and a car accident

[20:55] What happened after the first sound Dr. Mary heard and its connection to our soul frequency

[22:37] Dr. Mary describes what happened just before her life review moment and connection to elderly people

[25:25] Debra echoes the imprint of NDEs and where most people can’t connect to the experience

[26:18] How long Dr. Mary was outside of her body and the breakdown of the constructs of time

[27:32] The life review moment that changed everything for Dr. Mary

[29:27] What happens in a near-death experience that juxtaposes when we attach the ego to this reality

[30:48] Experiencing different realities and the spinning plates analogy

[31:43] Astrology enters the past-life karma chat

[33:08] Debra shares about her new book that will come out in 2025

[34:01] When Dr. Mary was given the choice to come back into this lifetime

[37:20] “You already are that which you seek.”

[38:39] The relevance of regulating your nervous system

[39:15] Speaking to the traits of Gemini Rising

[40:55] How interfering with the nervous system can be a tool for growth

[41:44] The reminder for us all through this conversation

[42:32] Why do we study Astrology?

[43:20] One of the key gifts that Dr. Mary came back with after death

[44:12] An insight into the observance of traumatic death and Dr. Mary’s example to support this insight

[48:37] The big moment Dr. Mary witnessed her father experiencing during the height of his dementia

[51:15] Closing out part one of Debra’s conversation with Dr. Mary

[53:26] Allowing fear to have its own voice

[54:08] Sharing gratitude for this conversation with Dr. Mary

How to find pleasure in being in a body, creating a dialogue between your emotional and physical body. These two human systems are critical to our well-being and experiences in life, yet we tend to evaluate and feel them separately, which can create dis-ease. Finding pleasure in the body can be key to fully embracing your incarnation in this lifetime.

Debra is joined by Liz Letchford who, by way of the evolution of her work, has embodied a mission to bridge these two worlds. As Liz says, “We came from the stars,” and she has actually learned components of Astrology by relating the signs to the systems of the body.

Liz speaks to marrying the two oppositional worlds of science, through her sports medicine and PhD in biomechanics, and the mystical world within her somatic and intuitive work, which she shares about within this episode. Sitting in the middle between opposing energies and showing how one can support the other is one of Liz’s great abilities, as evidenced by her Mercury in Pisces.

You’ll get to experience Liz’s Aries energy, her fun-loving Sagittarius vibe, and the intuitive, sensual nature of her Cancer Moon and Venus in Taurus. Tune in and refresh your perspective on the pleasure of being in a body, whether you have left that behind or have yet to feel it. It’s time to reconnect our physical and emotional planes.

Connect with Liz Letchford here: https://bit.ly/lizletchford

Key Highlights From The Episode

• How to find pleasure in being in a body by creating a dialogue between the emotional and physical

• How an event in infancy charted the course for Liz’s focus in this life

• An exploration of how unprocessed emotions create physical symptoms

• The interpretation of similar Astrological components Liz and Albert Einstein share

• The need for creating bridges between seemingly opposite worlds, like the physical and emotional and the logical and mystical

Timestamps

[01:04] Introducing the I Don’t Believe In Astrology Podcast and an introduction of our guest, Liz Letchford, who shares about her relationship with Astrology

[02:34] Liz introduces herself

[03:55] Where we need to give Pisces credit as Debra interprets Liz’s Mercury in Pisces

[05:57] The connection between Liz and Albert Einstein’s Astrological charts

[06:32] Liz shares about her shift into embodying her science and work

[07:18] “Unprocessed emotions create physical symptoms.”

[08:20] Sharing Liz’s Astrological chart and breaking down some key components

[09:36] The last time Liz cried and why it’s part of her embodiment practice

[10:49] Debra shares her gratitude for people like Liz

[11:42] How Liz’s lifestyle had to change to match her intuitive and emotional needs

[13:32] Why people come to see Liz in her professional work

[14:21] What Liz wishes people would do

[14:54] Liz shares something shocking she did as a child, the moment she got disconnected from her body, and how it lead her to where she is now

[17:23] Bringing the unconscious imprint up, as Debra works through in Tell Me A Story

[18:03] Debra shares about what it means to have your Moon placement in a Water sign and a Water House

[19:34] Appreciating your incarnation no matter where you are at in your soul’s evolution

[20:28] Liz shares about a recurring dream about a spiral and Debra connects that symbol to the soul’s evolution

[21:17] What Liz couldn’t live without

[22:17] Liz shares something somewhat “hidden” about her work and a story of it coming into play during a session

[26:14] The slogan Debra had on the back of her business card

[26:43] Debra shares a key takeaway for the audience

[27:17] Someone alive or passed on that Liz wishes she could have a conversation with

[28:46] If Liz wasn’t talking about the body, she would be interested in…

[30:27] Debra’s feeling about Liz’s gift in this life

[30:55] Where Debra and Liz met

[31:34] Closing out the podcast

How to feel more and dream bigger in a world full of chaos and comparisonitis. We have all felt the need to numb ourselves out and avoid feelings of heartbreak or even grief; we’ve also all been victim to the sense of being not good enough or experiencing alienation.

This is a recipe to squash our life-force and suffocate our dreams. Our guest Ayesha Ophelia has her own Astrological recipe for transmuting our pain body into power and dreaming as big as possible.

Ayesha has also unlocked more facets to her abilities from her studies in Level 1 of Debra’s Applied Astrology school. Debra shares her hopes to have Ayesha join her therapeutic writing course, Tell Me A Story, which is a powerful avenue for personal transformation and creativity.

Ayesha Ophelia is a rising voice in spirituality and wellness. Her work meets at the intersection of creativity and the seen and unseen realms. She walks the path of the muses which are; art, creativity, and the spark of inspiration living in us all.

Ayesha and Debra dive into the dominant Scorpio energy of Ayesha’s chart, in the Astrological House of networking and communication, allowing her to feel with the depths and operate with the heights of this human experience.

Debra also speaks to the Astrological component in Ayesha’s chart that powers her dream world and manifestation prowess, as well as the Astrological component that has given her quite the streak of luck. Maybe you have these Astrological flavors, too- tune in to find out!

Connect with Ayesha Ophelia here: https://www.instagram.com/ayeshaophelia/

Join our next Tell Me A Story writing course here: https://bit.ly/4afAm1B

Key Highlights From The Episode

• How to feel more and dream bigger and how that can impact your experience in this lifetime

• Collective and cultural experiences of feeling alienated and how Astrology can help soothe those feelings

• The high road and low road of Scorpio

• Ayesha’s experience in Level 1 of Applied Astrology and Debra’s hopes of her joining a cohort of Tell Me A Story

• Debra’s permission slips around authenticity and embracing our creativity

Timestamps

[00:54] Introducing the I Don’t Believe In Astrology Podcast and an introduction of our guest, Ayesha Ophelia and her entrance into Level 1 of Applied Astrology

[01:37] Ayesha introducing herself in her own words

[03:12] Bringing up Ayesha’s natal chart with a quick review of her chart

[04:27] Speaking to the component in Ayesha’s chart that shows the futuristic and revolutionary part of her character

[05:30] Debra speaks to feeling resistance to her revolutionary way of approaching therapy with Astrology

[05:54] Ayesha speaks to the connection between a childhood memory of watching E.T. and the current collective vibe

[08:13] Everyone has an alienated part of them; that’s where Astrology can help

[09:39] Debra shares an inspiring permission slip around authenticity and finding your voice

[09:58] The transition of Ayesha being a support to others and then “leaving the nest” and speaking her own message

[10:56] Ayesha speaks to what happened during her Saturn return

[12:18] Debra connects pieces of Ayesha’s chart to a past company she ran

[12:45] Ayesha shares about moving through grief as her mother left this realm and her connection to her mother then and now

[13:57] What Ayesha couldn’t live without in this lifetime

[15:22] Ayesha’s strong 12th House in her Astrological chart and a concrete story about her big dreams and using her voice

[17:13] What Ayesha would do if she wasn’t a voice on social media

[17:50] Debra’s reminder to carry your creativity and child-like spirit into adulthood

[18:24] Who Ayesha would love to have a conversation with throughout time and Debra sharing a similar reflection from a past podcast guest

[21:09] The last time Ayesha cried and her wisdom around welcoming heartbreak

[22:41] Debra shares an encounter with Spirit she had decades ago

[23:58] Reflections on grief

[25:06] The two things we all long for

[26:20] The underutilization of dreaming

[26:52] The revolution happening in the human condition

[27:56] Ayesha shares about an influential dream for her

[31:10] The high road of Scorpio as evidenced by Ayesha

[31:57] Debra tells Ayesha about her writing course, Tell Me A Story

[32:50] Are your words impactful? Or are they just theory?

[33:18] Ayesha reflects on what she learned about missing Elements through Debra

[34:22] How Ayesha feels about where we are headed as a society

[36:16] Ayesha shares about her luck, evidenced by an impactful Jupiter placement next to her Ascendant/Rising sign

[38:27] What happens when live under correct knowledge (LUCK)

How to lead by example and help the planet- what’s more important than taking care of your home (Earth)? Debra sits down with biological resource engineer Bobby Gill to talk about the realities of the climate crisis and practical ways we can all help Mother Earth.

Bobby speaks about the importance of “voting with your dollar” and the importance of environmental legislation. Our home, and the future of the planet, are on the line.

From an Astrological perspective, Bobby didn’t know about Astrology; tune in to hear Debra translate his chart, easily pinpointing his innate nature. Bobby shares reflections of Debra’s Astrological insights and reflects on his Saturn return and the popularity of Astrology.

Bobby shares how he believes society is reinventing itself from a “dying way of living.” Tune in for an inspiring conversation around the climate crisis, learn about desertification, and get clues into the nature of a Capricorn and Sagittarius energy.

Key Highlights From The Episode

• How to lead by example and help the planet with small efforts that can have a big impact

• Understanding the process of desertification and its importance in the climate conversation

• Seeing an optimistic future after the planet being in “hospice”

• Voting with your dollar and the government’s part in the climate crisis

• How Capricorn and Sagittarius energy can show up in a personality

Timestamps

[01:00] Introducing the I Don’t Believe In Astrology Podcast and an introduction of our guest, Bobby Gill

[02:45] How Debra and Bobby met and Debra’s entrance into being literate around the climate crisis

[03:50] Bobby’s familiarity with Astrology and Debra deciphering his natal chart

[05:45] Bobby speaks to the relevance of his adventure-seeking nature as told by his Astrological chart

[06:25] Bobby tells us about working at the Savory Institute and its mission

[08:13] An explanation of desertification and how the Savory Institute helps to teach communities

[12:15] A controversial thought within the climate crisis debate

[14:28] Debra and Bobby share their thoughts about an incredible film, To Which We Belong, by Pamela Tanner Boll

[17:43] The doom and gloom of the climate crisis, and the optimism around the corner

[20:11] The reality of the climate crisis from Bobby’s perspective

[24:11] One of the things Bobby is most worried about as we navigate the changes ahead

[26:10] Debra speaks to being passionate about our life’s work and taking the long view into account

[27:52] How will the government come into play with supporting environmental legislation?

[28:37] Bobby shares about “voting with your dollar” and other things individuals can do with the environment in mind

[31:25] Thoughts on the use of plastics and the conveniences we have grown accustomed to

[33:01] Debra encourages the audience to be conscious of their choices

[35:31] Reflecting on Bobby’s lack of the Air element in his chart

[36:38] How Bobby’s Earth and Fire in his Astrological chart shows up so prominently in his demeanor

[37:33] What Bobby would be talking about if he wasn’t talking about regenerative agriculture

[38:00] One thing Bobby couldn’t live without

[38:20] The last time that Bobby cried

[38:52] Who, across time and history, Bobby would have a conversation with if he could

[39:20] What’s next that Bobby is so excited about

[40:05] The emergence of Astrology into the current collective mindset

[40:55] The value Astrology can provide from Bobby’s perspective

[42:00] Debra asks Bobby about his Saturn return

[43:38] Thanking Bobby for his time on the podcast and Debra’s hope to ignite interest in Astrology and the climate crisis

How to have a consistent meditation practice instead of adding it to your list of shoulds. Meditation is a hot topic that everyone talks about, yet so many of us find resistance in it being a consistent, fulfilling practice. You’re not the only one that struggles with meditating, whether you’re struggling in your current practice to stay consistent or struggling because you don’t have a practice in the first place.

This episode might help you fall in love with meditation!

Debra is joined by Kilkenny Tremblay, Yoga and Meditation professor and host of Modern Mystic Podcast, who in addition to being a lifelong lover of meditation, yoga, and other spiritual teachings, is an alumni of Debra’s Applied Astrology school.

Kilkenny and Debra discuss how meditation is a dynamic practice, not a one-size-fits-all approach. Debra sheds light on a part of Kilkenny’s Astrological chart that countless other professional Astrologers have seemed to avoid, making Kilkenny’s point of how solid Debra’s approach and Astrological method is, and how Astrology terminology will soon be as fluent to the masses as yoga has become.

The history and dynamics of Pluto are highlighted, bridging the connection between Kilkenny’s intense passion for life and her work, and her ability to speak to the seen and unseen, the magical and the mundane.

Here’s your chance to learn about the influence of Pluto in Astrology and update your perspective on why meditation is so powerful. Plus you’ll hear tips on how to integrate meditation fully into your life, and if you have children, how to get them interested, too!

Learn more about Kilkenny Tremblay at https://bit.ly/kilkennymodernmystic

Key Highlights From The Episode

• How to have a consistent meditation practice following simple tips from Kilkenny and Debra

• The question around meditation that everyone is thinking and no one likes to admit

• Kilkenny’s top tip on how to get children interested in meditation (it’s easy!)

• Discovering Pluto in historical terms and its Astrological symbolism and effects

• Why Kilkenny enrolled in Applied Astrology and what sets Debra’s method of Astrology apart from other Astrologers

Timestamps

[00:50] Introducing the I Don’t Believe In Astrology Podcast and an introduction of our guest, Kilkenny Tremblay

[04:17] What Kilkenny experienced at five years old that was her entrance into the spiritual world

[05:23] Kilkenny shares about her mediation practice and matching meditations to the disposition of the person practicing

[07:28] How often does Kilkenny practice meditation?

[08:24] Sharing Kilkenny’s chart and the Astrological indicator that gives a nod to Kilkenny’s easy access to meditation

[10:03] The question around meditation that everyone is thinking and no one likes to admit

[11:53] A brief mention of Kilkenny’s time in Debra’s Applied Astrology school and the connection of the mind (Mercury) to meditation

[13:33] The spiritual inheritance people experience (or don’t) in their lifetimes and the Astrological fluency that is coming soon

[15:34] Walking through Kilkenny’s chart again, speaking to an aspect in her Astrology chart that so many Astrologers didn’t speak to in Kilkenny’s life

[19:13] How Pluto in Kilkenny’s Astrological chart shows her intense intention for her life, and discussing parts of the history of Pluto scientifically and spiritually

[21:24] Kilkenny speaks to how her strong Plutonian signature shows up in her life

[23:48] Kilkenny shares some of her favorite episodes from her own podcast, Modern Mystic

[25:23] Debra shares more on the history of Pluto and its representation of the invisible world

[27:22] What Kilkenny always says to people about the benefit of meditation

[29:23] The ability of meditation to put us out of the victim mentality and back into the driver’s seat

[31:45] Debra and Kilkenny speak briefly to the initial resistance to meditation

[32:38] Kilkenny shares her top tip on how to integrate mediation into children’s lives

[34:33] There is no random order to the souls that show up in our lives

[35:36] What people don’t say about Libra

[36:06] Do any of Kilkenny’s three children have resistance to meditation?

[36:47] Why and how parenting has always been a big interest for Debra in her Astrology practice and how to introduce our children to spiritual practices

[37:58] A recap of what we have learned about meditation in this interview

[39:09] Kilkenny shares about her podcast, Modern Mystic

[39:37] Closing with gratitude and a beautiful way to think about meditation, as well as ways to connect with Kilkenny as a practitioner and Applied Astrology alumni

How to follow your soul, regardless of the path the outside world tells you to take. That is the message of this podcast interview with a deeply intuitive and charismatic person who could see his own soul-aligned future, leading him down a road that wouldn’t serve his father’s wishes, but would fulfill his own karmic purpose and healing.

(TW: mentions of war)

Debra is joined by Kute Blackson, a beloved inspirational speaker and transformational teacher. Kute is widely considered a next generation leader in the field of personal development. His mission is simple: To awaken and inspire people across the planet to access inner freedom, live authentically and fulfill their true life’s purpose.

Kute shares miraculous stories from his childhood, along with life-changing moments that, with Sun in Cancer in the House of the futurist, were guided by his inner knowing. Kute echoes Debra’s interpretations of his Astrological chart, connecting her insights into pivotal moments of his life, including his life theme of karmic healing through his emotional bonds.

From saying no to a predetermined path chosen by his father, to following his intuition to go to the United States with very little to his name, Kute’s experiences moving through the humble beginnings of his career are another inspiring facet to who he is and has become in this lifetime. This is an interview that will have you captivated from the very beginning, leaving you empowered to continue on your unique journey of your soul’s calling.

Learn more about Kute Blackson at www.kuteblackson.com

Get Kute’s books, The Magic of Surrender: Finding the Courage to Let Go and You Are The One: A Bold Adventure in Finding Purpose, Discovering the Real You, and Loving Fully

Key Highlights From The Episode

• How to follow your soul and listen to your inner knowing

• Nudges from God/the Universe when you are (or are not) living in alignment

• The Astrological meaning of Jupiter Return

• How to determine your life theme through your Astrological chart and how that has played out for Kute

• The importance of finding peace within our own lives

Timestamps

[00:55] Introducing the I Don’t Believe In Astrology Podcast and an introduction of our guest, Kute Blackson

[01:18] Kute shares about the spiritual dynamics of his father and his own upbringing, including an experience Kute’s father didn’t share with his congregates

[02:11] Miraculous memories that Kute has from growing up

[04:30] What happened to Kute at age 8 and age 14 and how those events did not align with his calling

[06:07] Debra walks through Kute’s Astrological chart and interprets the theme of Kute’s life

[07:18] How Kute navigated coming into alignment with his purpose and telling his father that he would not be following the path his father had decided for him

[11:20] The way that God answered Kute’s calling

[13:40] Kute set foot onto U.S. soil; what he does next

[15:04] Kute recalls a collect call made to his mother in the midst of him worrying about whether he made the right choice

[16:05] Kute’s humble beginnings as he started his journey in the U.S.

[17:26] Where is Kute now? His introduction of himself and his work

[19:36] The titles of Kute’s two published books

[20:02] What was the bridge between Kute having nothing to entering into his true destiny?

[21:35] Kute has a promise to be a star yet his intuition tells him it’s not aligned; what he does next

[23:13] Debra talks about Kute’s Jupiter Return, with Kute sharing how that has played out for him

[23:50] Kute comes back to America after traveling the world, feeling at peace while having nothing, and the entrance of his coaching practice

[24:42] A neighbor asks Kute to help her ex; Kute “downloads” a process of uncoaching to change this man’s life

[26:01] How Kute’s “uncoaching” career began

[27:36] How Kute’s parents ended up feeling about his career and the message from Kute’s mother after her passing that changed his relationship with his father

[29:38] What happened in 2022 that felt like evidence of karmic healing for Kute

[30:59] Debra interprets Kute’s karmic healing through his Sun in Cancer in the 11th House, along with his grounded Moon in Capricorn

[32:41] How does Kute feel now within his life?

[33:33] What are Kute’s feelings about our collective future on this planet?

[35:30] Debra shares about her thoughts on the eras of the people in our lives

[36:09] How can we have peace on the planet without having peace in our individual lives? Kute and Debra share their perspectives

[37:11] The last time Kute cried

[38:04] Kute shares about his optimism around the future

[39:18] Kute explains how we live in duality and the goal of awakening to our true nature

[41:20] Kute explains his views on organized religion now

[42:39] How Kute feels about plant medicine and its current popularity and usage

[45:53] Who Kute would like to have a conversation with, passed or alive, if given the opportunity; Kute shares about his regret

[48:00] The reminder of the emotional bonds we will never replace in this lifetime; giving gratitude to Kute’s Cancer-Leo energy making this notion real as this interview ends

How to walk the path of the mystic and tune into higher knowledge. Podcast guest Paul Selig says he has no advice for our listeners, yet his presence and his life’s work shows us the importance of opening ourselves up to a higher power.

Paul Selig is one of the foremost contributors to the field of channeled literature, after a spiritual experience in 1987 left him clairvoyant. He attended New York University and earned a master’s from Yale. He is the author of Beyond the Known: Realization and The Book of Innocence.

As a double Scorpio personality with a prevalent Virgo energy in his chart, the richness and depth of Paul’s work and his loyalty to the purity of his path is impressive. Paul takes Debra through his journey to walking the path of the mystic, which admittedly began with resistance and a skeptic eye towards mysticism and his lifestyle was not in alignment with that path. Paul then experienced a series of events which led him to this new path, which would change the course of his life entirely.

Paul also shares about his first Astrological experience and as Debra walks through components of his chart, Paul connects them to avenues and events within his life. This is an interview packed with a Plutonian energy… tune in for what that means (and more).

Learn more about Paul Selig at https://www.studentsoftheguides.com

Get your copy of The Book Of Innocence: https://amzn.to/46cnlDB

Get your copy of Beyond the Known: Realization: https://amzn.to/3QDGSah

Key Highlights From The Episode

• How to walk the path of the mystic and what might lead you to find it

• How channeled literature is birthed into our reality

• The energetics of double Scorpio and a powerful Pluto placement

• The definition of mysticism in modern times and where we are likely to find those enlightened beings today

• What happened for Paul during his second Saturn Return

Timestamps

[01:00] Introducing the I Don’t Believe In Astrology Podcast and an introduction of our guest, Paul Selig, in his own words

[02:54] Debra interprets Paul’s Astrological chart

[04:41] The initial resistance that Paul had around his gifts

[05:28] The sequence of events that lead to Paul finding his channeling ability

[07:05] Paul describes his experience of resistance, as described Astrologically by his Sun squaring his Moon

[08:02] Debra’s insights on the destructive ability and sensitivity of Scorpio energy

[08:47] How Paul protects his energy

[09:09] Paul describes the nature of his relationship with his spirit guides

[10:50] “Spoken stenography” and psychic work makes Paul a radio

[11:51] The projection and opinion of the spirit guides Paul has channeled about our human behavior and our future

[13:22] Is Paul a pessimist or optimist?

[14:01] The seriousness that Paul embodies as described by his Astrological chart

[15:14] When Paul isn’t focused on channeling, these are the things he thinks about

[16:17] The last time Paul cried

[17:27] Paul’s profession before being a channeler and the reflections of his work now

[18:50] Musings on Paul’s Moon in Leo that have rung true for him, as well as the energy major Astrological themes in his chart

[20:55] The level of awareness and function of the higher beings that Paul communicates with

[22:32] The physical effects that Paul has experienced when channeling

[25:31] How Paul really feels about his channeling work

[26:38] Debra recounts the history of Astrology and Paul’s communications with the higher guides about Astrology

[28:27] Paul’s first Astrological chart reading experience

[31:22] Debra identifies 2020 as Paul’s second Saturn Return; he shares about his experience

[33:54] The gift of Paul’s lifetime as told by Astrology

[34:55] Paul shares about his father passing away when he was very young and his connection to him now

[35:49] Paul’s most recent work, The Book Of Innocence, and his 12th book

[36:39] Paul is not the “best student” by way of embodying the lessons of his guides

[37:33] A quote Paul lives by

[37:54] Does Paul believe we live in a safe reality? Does he live in a safe reality?

[39:54] Take this out of this podcast interview

[41:16] Debra recaps components of Paul’s Astrological chart and its connection to his past, present, and future

[41:54] Paul’s perspective on showing up

[42:36] Debra asks what person/people alive or not that Paul would like to have a conversation with

[43:36] A past lifetime Paul has some recall around

[44:29] Paul’s practical definition of mysticism

[45:56] Debra describes the great ones on that planet

[46:20] Paul asks when a partner is going to show up; Debra answers by speaking to his Astrological chart

[47:20] Debra speaks to the nature of a good interview

[47:51] Signing off with final thoughts from Debra and Paul

How to find wisdom in death and birth- two seemingly opposite concepts that are actually deeply connected, inviting us into deeper wisdom and soulful connection.

Debra is joined by Siobhan Asgharzadeh, a grief doula, soul activist, storyteller, dancer, lover of the wild lands, ceremonialist, and birth doula, to reach into the dark depths and fear around death and birth. Siobhan speaks to the societal urge to choose science over humanity, and to the nature of her work to bring back our old rituals and practices to give sanctity and an honoring as we usher lives in and out of our human perspective.

With four planets in Taurus in the Astrological House of community, friendship, and futuristic views, Debra and Siobhan engage in a conversation about the importance of congruence between your Astrological chart and your soul, as Siobhan echoes Debra’s interpretation of these Astrological dynamics within her work as a death doula.

Death is a topic we seem programmed to hide from, to shy away at the mere mention of it. Debra and Siobhan invite us all to take a closer look at death and share their personal stories on the sacred wisdom that awaits when we choose to lean into the experience of death and birth.

Learn more about Siobhan Asgharzadeh at https://griefpilgrim.com

Key Highlights From The Episode

• How to find wisdom in death and birth by leaning into these experiences

• Understanding the practice of being a death doula

• Siobhan and Debra’s personal stories of bearing witness to death and birth

• How Siobhan’s four planets in Taurus, in the Eleventh House, show up in her life

• Calling in new perspectives through our old practices and rituals around death and birth

Timestamps

[01:00] Introducing the I Don’t Believe In Astrology Podcast and an introduction of our guest

[03:12] Debra gives an interpretive overview of Siobhan’s Astrological chart

[04:24] Displaying Astrological Siobhan’s chart with nods to the Eleventh House of Astrology

[05:50] Siobhan speaks to her training in midwifery and her practice

[08:56] Debra and Siobhan speak to natural birth practices and why Siobhan moved towards focusing on work around death and grief

[11:51] How Siobhan works with death now and what she sees in her practice from a societal perspective

[15:30] Debra reflects on her own study of being a death doula

[16:58] The connection of this conversation to the climate crisis

[17:33] Debra shares a personal story of the passing of one of her best friends

[18:55] Debra asks those listening, “What is your relationship with death?”

[19:25] Siobhan speaks to the resistance to death and birth

[20:55] Debra shares a personal story about witnessing death that changed her perspective

[22:25] Siobhan describes how death can feed life and shares about the first death she witnessed

[28:40] Debra reflects on the elemental pieces that occur in birth and death

[30:50] Debra asks Siobhan to reflect on her four planets in Taurus in the Eleventh House as a draw to community and her life’s work

[34:31] Debra shares about the practice of sitting shiva

[36:20] The old rituals of birth and death brought back to the surface by Siobhan

[36:64] Bringing ceremony, ritual, and honoring to our experiences

[38:15] Siobhan speaks to us using words and functions as a society that don’t allow us to feel and access our heart

[39:51] Sharing what the mind, heart, body, and spirit perspectives are through grief

[41:22] The goal of the game of life, as told by an Astrologer

[42:03] What Debra always knew about death and attachment to our beliefs

[43:23] The most important conversation to be had about the congruence between your soul and your Astrological chart

[44:12] “The soul is an endangered species.”

[45:22] The initiation of Saturn Return

[47:46] The analogy of midwifing the death and the birth of Earth

[48:37] Siobhan finishes out the podcast with a beautiful story

[51:26] We need to see beyond our mind’s perspective by dropping into our hearts and souls

[53:23] Closing out with the essence of this podcast

How to talk to angels and help your soul become more intertwined with your human experience. That’s the theme of our podcast with the ethereal Lorna Byrne, who seems to be an ambassador of the angels to our human species.

Lorna Byrne has been seeing and talking to angels since she was a baby. She talks openly about what she’s learned and how angels completely guide her life. Lorna is the author of seven best-selling books, including Angels in My Hair, The True Story of a Modern-Day Irish Mystic. Lorna’s books have been published in more than 50 countries and 30 languages around the world.

While this podcast episode will not feature an Astrological chart due to Lorna being uncertain of her birth time, Debra is able to connect the dots of what Lorna does know about her birth time and the Astrological placements that present themselves in Lorna’s life. Lorna has not spent much time with Astrology, but she echoes Debra’s Astrological analysis during this interview.

Lorna shares her visions of the future, where there is no division as our souls become one with our humanness. In this future, we live in peace with each other and nature, our home. According to Lorna, the future depends on this spiritual evolution.

Lorna Byrne has physical sight of the unseen world, of the angels, spirits and other spiritual beings that she says are guiding and teaching us every second of every day. Many have sensed these beings occasionally but do not see them tangibly like Lorna. But Lorna says we all have this potential if we grow spiritually, when we can learn to talk to angels.

Tune in for a recollection of incredible angelic sights, stories, and the beginning steps to shift our perspectives and open our world up to the divine.

Learn more about Lorna Byrne at lornabyrne.com

Get a copy of Lorna’s Book, Angels In My Hair: https://amzn.to/3LZoPKk

Key Highlights From The Episode

• How to talk to angels and connect your soul to your human experience

• The truth about our guardian angels and how they see us

• Incredible stories throughout Lorna’s life as she received messages from the angels

• Lorna’s Aries nature and her Mercury in Pisces, as interpreted by Debra, contributing to how she has perceived the physical world, as well as the world beyond

• Messages about the divine, no matter what your beliefs are

Timestamps

[00:57] Introducing the I Don’t Believe In Astrology Podcast and an introduction of our guest’s mission to help others

[02:00] Our guest, Lorna Byrne, talks about the reminder from the angels to keep her gift quiet

[02:57] Our guest, Lorna Byrne, introduces herself and tells us about her early beginnings

[04:30] Debra interprets Lorna’s Mercury in Pisces and Lorna reflects on Debra’s interpretation with her real life experiences, even in infancy

[06:09] Lorna’s beginnings of being a late talker, with the angels reminding her to keep her gifts a secret

[06:55] Lorna speaks to the guardian angels we all have and her request to Archangel Michael

[07:46] Do angels eat and taste food? Lorna answers and sheds light on the clothing that angels appear with

[08:46] Debra shares about her sense of her guardian angels (that seem to have a sense of humor)

[09:34] The true nature of spirituality

[10:55] What Lorna thinks people should do when they start their day

[11:46] Lorna shares about a direct experience with the angels when she was a child, playing with her brother that had passed away

[13:46] Lorna recounts being open publicly about her gifts and an abrupt message from Archangel Michael

[16:14] Lorna can’t read; she tells the story of finally saying yes to God’s message to begin writing and the synchronistic events that followed

[20:20] More synchronistic events came to help Lorna get her book published

[21:54] One thing God always says to Lorna

[23:01] Debra asks: What makes it okay to say no to God? Lorna answers and tells Debra about the difference between angels and God

[25:08] Why angels love to be around people

[26:01] Debra asks Lorna about the conversation around angels and sensitive religious subjects like abortion; Lorna shares story of being called to speak to a woman who became pregnant and who had nuns telling her she was pregnant with the a child of the devil

[29:14] A question Lorna always asks God

[30:00] Are angels envious of us?

[30:11] What Lorna wishes people would do

[31:54] Lorna shares a story that reflects how souls choose their parents and the lives they will lead before they are born

[33:05] What Lorna couldn’t live without and how Lorna feels she is different from others having been brought up by the angels

[34:32] How Lorna distinguishes herself from the angels

[35:27] The intertwining of the human being and the soul, as told by Lorna and Alice Bailey’s work

[36:41] Lorna’s uncertainty about when she was born, making it difficult to read her Astrological chart

[37:42] Debra interpret what she does know about Lorna’s Astrological composition

[37:58] Debra shares appreciation for what Lorna’s presence and gifts can teach us all

[38:27] Lorna shares about what the future looks like and why the intertwining of ourselves to our souls and spirituality is so important

[39:25] How Lorna’s work has been perceived by scientists she has worked with

[40:19] Lorna shares her visions of the future and how the United States has a different vibrance that will be pinnacle for our collective future

[42:59] The last time Lorna cried and what touches Lorna the most

[44:44] How Lorna’s children navigate their mother’s gift

[45:57] The story of Lorna’s husband that began with a message from an angel at the age of 10

[50:01] When Lorna recognized her husband from the vision the angel gave her, and more information she knew ahead of time before actually meeting him

[52:24] Debra appreciates how Lorna has changed our point of view

[53:23] Lorna’s final words, no matter what your beliefs are

[55:05] Debra’s final words on asking your guardian angels for help

How to let go of your fear may have you wondering, “What is on the other side of fear?” On the other side of fear is the deepest love imaginable, a sense of peace, and an unshakeable connection with your soulful self.

Debra is joined by Christian Sundberg. When Christian was a young child he remembered his existence before coming to Earth. While that memory left him completely for his early adult life, it spontaneously returned at the age of 30 as Christian took up a meditation practice and went through a personal awakening journey. Christian now seeks to remind others in at least a small part of who we really are beneath the human “play.”

Christian is the author of the book A Walk in the Physical, which attempts to succinctly describe the larger spiritual context in which we exist and the importance of love in our human journey. While Christian is ambivalent on the topic of Astrology and has never had a reading, Debra connects his chart to life’s purpose, the timeline of his spiritual journey, and the major themes of Christian’s life.

Christian speaks with Debra about his path towards spiritual awakening, his pre-life memories, and shares wisdom on the connection between fear and our un-evolvedness. It’s time to learn to let go of your fear- tune in to hear why…

Learn more about Christian Sundberg at https://awalkinthephysical.com/

Get a copy of Christian’s Book, A Walk In The Physical: https://amzn.to/46xQjhT

Key Highlights From The Episode

• How to let go of your fear and what happens you do

• Messages from the higher intelligence of the other side

• Pre-life memories and how we all choose which life we incarnate into

• The importance of releasing our ego stories

• The themes of Aries and Virgo energy, and the shift within a Saturn Return

Timestamps

[01:14] Christian Sundberg shares his experience with Astrology so far, and Debra introduces him as a double Aries with Moon in Virgo

[01:45] Debra shares about her life-changing from watching Christian’s other interviews and identifies a major undertone in our zeitgeist

[03:33] Christian gives an overview of his professional career as a project manager

[04:00] Debra gives an elemental overview of Christan’s Astrological chart

[04:42] Christian began to go through his awakening during his Saturn Return

[05:08] Debra shows Christian’s Astrological chart and dives into the mathematical timing of Saturn cycles and the activation during Saturn Return

[06:19] Christian provides an important disclaimer about the limitations of the human language before telling his story

[07:55] Christian tells the story of his spiritual activation which began with listening to Tom Campbell, reading his 1,000 page book, and starting a meditation practice

[10:21] Christian describes his first non-physical, out-of-body experience

[12:41] The entrance of Christian’s pre-birth memory

[13:35] Christian shares one of the reasons he is here in this lifetime, and how his spiritual path has been unfolding to support his learning

[14:34] Debra recalling part of Christian’s story that stuck out to her; Christian shares more about that story

[16:41] “The depth to which we are wounded must be healed.”

[18:11] How Christian accepted the veil

[20:46] Christian’s remembrance of being a fetus and deciding not to come into a life

[23:43] Christian explains reviewing his life experience ahead of coming into this life

[25:17] Describing the essence of the soul and the only way to be incarnated

[26:43] Christian mentions his illness at the age of 22

[27:07] “Human lives are so precious.”

[27:59] Debra echoes Christian’s sentiments and why Astrology works

[28:23] The nature of our experience as a human

[30:24] A lesson from Alice Bailey

[31:54] How we “make choices in the context.”

[33:14] How Christian’s awareness plays out in his life

[34:45] Debra shows Christian’s Astrological chart and speaks to his life purpose; Christian echoes his experience with having three planets in Virgo

[37:01] How the Pisces and Virgo axis shows up in Christian’s life

[39:00] Releasing our ego stories

[42:20] “We’re not actually separate.”

[42:54] What Christian wishes people would do

[43:36] The two ultimate issues that are happening on Earth

[44:11] What was the purpose of ignorance in the human experience?

[45:21] Debra reflects on the appetite for our human impulses

[46:20] Why we experience a high level of constraint and limitation as humans

[47:31] How we all act from a place of fear

[48:48] Why can’t our unconscious minds filter out the negative or the evil impulses like how our internal organs filter out toxins?

[50:24] There’s not really an enemy- our fear is the problem

[52:39] Christian’s thoughts on the evolution of the human species

[55:50] What happens when you face your fear

[57:08] The vibrational temperature of humans is higher than what it has been and the refacing and integration of old societal patterns

[58:29] Christian’s thoughts on extraterrestrials

[1:00:15] Christian’s optimism around the ecological terror that is transpiring

[1:01:36] Debra explains the continuance of fundamental principles regardless of our physical existence (or Earth’s physical existence)

[1:02:46] The root of feeling threatened

[1:04:41] What Christian wouldn’t want to live without

[1:05:11] Someone Christian would love to speak with

[1:05:58] The last time Christian cried

[1:06:38] Christian and Debra discuss if there is anything to fear in this life; the truth behind it all