Mind & Life

In this episode, Wendy speaks with contemplative health psychologist and stress researcher Elissa Epel. Elissa studies how mindfulness, meditation retreats, and breathing techniques can help buffer stress processes, biological aging, and promote both physical and mental health. This conversation covers many topics, including:

• her early roots of interest in the mind-body connection;
• bringing contemplation into health and stress psychology research;
• two key aspects of stress;
• learning to deal with uncertainty;
• uncertainty in the body;
• acute vs. chronic stress response;
• why we might want to intentionally induce acute stress to boost our health;
• cell aging systems (telomeres);
• contemplative practices as a way to reduce stress;
• how our minds influence our cells;
• the concept of cellular safety;
• rest, retreat, and vacation;
• how contemplative benefits can transfer to the next generation;
• what it means to have a sensitive nervous system;
• and the importance of focusing on joy and gratitude.

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In this episode, Wendy speaks with the renowned Buddhist practitioner and author Matthieu Ricard. Matthieu was integral to the founding of contemplative science, serving as both a participant and co-investigator in many early studies, and has deep expertise in compassion, altruism, and well-being. This conversation covers many topics, including:

• his roots in both science and Buddhism, and his appreciation for rigorous inquiry;
• his role as a participant and collaborator in contemplative science;
• lessons from research on compassion vs. empathy;
• how the self shows up (or doesn't) in compassion;
• links between self-focus and vulnerability;
• hedonia, eudiamonia, and self;
• altruism and our current crises;
• reconciling three time scales of concern;
• sentience, life, and interdependence;
• caring for our whole interconnected system;
• the practice of awe;
• using photography to share basic human goodness;
• balancing fame and monastic life;
• and a poignant example of his own personal experience of care.

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In this episode, Wendy speaks with mindful policy advocate and contemplative teacher Jamie Bristow. Jamie co-directs the Mindfulness Initiative in the UK, an organization that bridges contemplative practice and public policy, championing the inner dimension of social change. This conversation covers many topics, including:

• why he first started meditating and the surprise that came with it;
• his commitment to climate work;
• integrating advertising talent into policy work;
• mindfulness in the UK government;
• development of the Mindfulness Initiative;
• the nuts and bolts of mindful policy work;
• policy advances in health, criminal justice, and education;
• mindfulness as a foundational capacity (not just a skill);
• how the mind relates to the climate crisis;
• consequences of our failure to see the interconnectedness in the world;
• how mindfulness and compassion can help with reconnection;
• two modes of operating (holistic intuitive vs. verbal conceptual);
• and where to go from here.

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In this episode, Wendy speaks with clinical psychologist and contemplative Amy Cohen Varela. In addition to her work as a psychoanalytic therapist, Amy is also the widow of Francisco Varela (co-founder of the Mind & Life Institute), and continues to share his vision and work through the offerings of Mind & Life Europe. This conversation covers many topics, including:

• her dual interest in biology and literature;
• the contemplative aspects of psychoanalysis;
• skills learned from listening deeply to yourself and to others;
• how she met Francisco Varela;
• enaction, meaning, and participatory sense-making;
• links between Francisco's ideas and Buddhist philosophy;
• subjective and objective viewpoints, and how we oversimplify Buddhism and science in that dynamic;
• how more than a decade with Francisco has changed her;
• the power of curiosity and openness;
• doing and undoing the self in psychoanalysis;
• Francisco's reflections on the Chilean civil war, and implications for polarization;
• the need for systems to be able to "undo" themselves;
• and Mind & Life Europe's latest offerings.

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In this episode, Wendy speaks with renowned clinical psychologist, researcher, and co-developer of Mindfulness-Based Cognitive Therapy (MBCT), Zindel Segal. Zindel's work has brought relief to many who suffer from depression, by sharing the tools and skills of mindful awareness. This conversation covers many topics, including:

• his early experiences with meditation and psychology;
• the development of MBCT and its evolution;
• seeing thoughts as thoughts;
• the power of curiosity, kindness, and an attitude of letting be;
• clinical research on MBCT in depression;
• staying with difficult experiences;
• the latest thinking about how antidepressants work;
• a short guided meditation;
• the importance of sense foraging;
• using digital platforms and increasing accessibility to mindfulness skills;
• adapting practices for the challenges young people face today;
• how MBCT can shift the sense of self and identity;
• and how practice has changed him.

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In this episode, Wendy speaks with Randima (Randy) Fernando, co-founder of the Center for Humane Technology. Over several decades, Randy has worked to integrate technology, mindfulness, and social impact, trying to find ethical solutions to some of our most challenging issues. This conversation covers many topics, including:

• how the strands of Buddhism and technology have woven together throughout his life;
• the challenges we face with tech today;
• parallels between mindfulness and humane technology;
• understanding the "race to the bottom";
• breaking the myth that technology is neutral;
• looking at technology through the Buddhist lens of dependent co-arising;
• problematic incentives in the tech space (e.g., advertising as a business model);
• the attention economy;
• how technology trains our attention, emotions, and even our values;
• technology's impact on the way we view our "self";
• customized realities, echo chambers, and polarization;
• how to avoid tech traps;
• the core principles of humane technology;
• building values/ethics into AI;
• understanding dukkha;
• the pros and cons of using technology to teach mindfulness;
• and the latest resources from the Center for Humane Technology.

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In this episode, Wendy speaks with contemplative scholar and Indigenous activist Yuria Celidwen. Yuria has worked across many sectors to bring Indigenous ways of knowing into conversation with Western approaches, particularly in contemplative science. This conversation covers many topics, including: 

• the importance of Indigenous languages;
• her roots in a lineage of mystics, healers, and explorers;
• insights from the Mayan calendric system;
• bringing Indigenous ideas into a dualistic culture;
• her own experience of othering;
• the role of contemplative practice amidst today's challenges;
• opening our awareness to interdependence;
• bridging and safety as we come together across differences;
• kin relationality and ecological belonging;
• subtleties of language and what they reveal;
• implications of the term "mechanism" in the scientific approach;
• Indigenous contemplative science;
• and an inspiring closing poem.

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In this episode, Wendy speaks with contemplative researcher Norm Farb. Norm was one of the first people to study how meditation impacts our brains, and his broader work incorporates emotions, body sensations, and present-moment awareness. Their conversation covers many topics, including:

• his initial research on meditation, neural networks, and modes of self;
• predictive models of mind;
• reinforcing vs. updating our model of the world (and implications for political polarization);
• the default mode network and its role in cognition;
• how meditation can help shift our habitual patterns;
• what happens in our minds when we learn to meditate;
• the concept of mental foraging;
• interoception and how sensing the body might reduce conceptual processing;
• depression & interoception, and getting stuck avoiding difficult feelings;
• the self as the current model of the world;
• a deeper look at the idea of no-self;
• the ethics of updating our self model responsibly;
• localization vs. distribution in the brain;
• and the state of research on meditation and the brain.

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In this episode, Wendy speaks with contemplative educator and researcher Patricia (Tish) Jennings. Tish has been a pioneer in bringing mindfulness and compassion into school settings, with a particular focus on helping teachers. This conversation covers many topics, including:

• her experience as an educator and a meditator;
• how teacher stress contributes to the classroom environment;
• how contemplative practice can help bring awareness to automatic responses, and help shift them;
• the process of attunement and our core as social beings;
• how teachers can be sensitive to students who have experienced trauma;
• problems with the industrialized model of education;
• how teachers can be a force for change from the inside;
• yoga and body sensation as mindfulness for young children;
• somatic awareness and understanding emotions;
• and what young people need most right now.

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In this episode, Wendy speaks with renowned and beloved meditation teacher Sharon Salzberg. Sharon has been teaching meditation in the West for over 40 years, and is the co-founder of the Insight Meditation Society. Their conversation covers many topics, including:

• finding Buddhism and meditation as a teenager, and where it led her;
• her experience as a woman in the early contemplative movement;
• loving kindness & metta, and their relationship to prayer;
• love as an ability;
• the role of narrative and story-telling in our world and minds;
• a call for balance and self-compassion on the path;
• the role of the body in meditation;
• why contemplation matters for societal change;
• and living into our interconnection.

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