Haystacks & Hell

Support the Show • Santiago shares some personal news, updates on the future of the show, and listener stories.

Resources / Topics Mentioned:

Slate: Why Do We Give Our Pets Death With Dignity but Not Ourselves?
S1:E2 - Do You Believe in an Afterlife?
More Listener Stories
Podcast Resources
Book Resources

Full Transcripts, resources and more: hell.bio/notes
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Support the Show • Part 2 of Santiago's interview with Andres Pichinte (They/Them), a Gen Z ex-Adventist who went from fundamentalist Adventism and going door to door for two summers with Youth Rush, to exploring esotericism and now Orthodox Christianity. We discussed the sales tactics used by Youth Rush, the books they sold and beliefs they encountered, misadventures in door-to-door evangelism, and more.

Resources / Topics Mentioned:

Andres' Website & Bio
Youth Rush Article - Spectrum Magazine

00:00 - Haystacks & Hell Intro
00:34 - Youth Rush Canvassing Sales Tactics
06:49 - Books and Beliefs
20:58 - Misadventures in Door-to-Door Evangelism
25:39 - From Fast Food to Film School
32:04 - Embracing Diversity and Finding Acceptance
37:28 - Exploring Orthodoxy
46:06 - Closing Thoughts
48:12 - Haystacks & Hell Outro

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Santiago interviews Andres Pichinte (They/Them), a Gen Z ex-Adventist who went from fundamentalist Adventism and going door to door for Youth Rush (for two summers), to exploring esotericism and now Orthodox Christianity. We talk about growing up Adventist, being surrounded by conspiracy theories, and moments that made them question their Adventist faith.

Resources / Topics Mentioned:
Andres' Website & Bio
The Hairbrush Song - Silly Songs with Larry
His Cheeseburger - Love Songs with Mr. Lunt
Youth Rush Article - Spectrum Magazine

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3rd and final part of Santiago's interview with Charlotte Hayes (Charli), a Gen-Z ex-Adventist. After escaping her abusive home, Charli discovered she didn't have proof of her U.S. citizenship, so she had to get a green card and worried about possibly being deported. We also discussed her journey of healing and leaving the faith she grew up in.

Charli's Links:
TikTok @charli.hayes
Instagram @charlihayes_
YouTube @charlihayes_

Resources / Topics Mentioned:
Maskrosbarn ("Dandelion Child")
Mental Health and Therapist Resources

Support for Victims of Abuse:
RAINN - National Sexual Assault Hotline
Childhelp - National Child Abuse Hotline
The Hotline - National Domestic Violence Hotline

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Part 2 of Santiago's interview with Charlotte Hayes (Charli), a Gen-Z ex-Adventist. She was adopted from Russia and brought to the U.S. as a baby by an Adventist couple. Growing up, Charli experienced horrific things at home. The police and Child Protective Services investigated, but nothing happened, so she ran away from home at 18. She now has over 500k people on TikTok who have been following her life story.

Charli's Links:
TikTok @charli.hayes
Instagram @charlihayes_
YouTube @charlihayes_

Resources / Topics Mentioned:
Little Duck Diner - Savannah, GA
Hostel in the Forest - Brunswick, GA
Hostelworld - Find hostels around the world

Support for Victims of Abuse:
RAINN - National Sexual Assault Hotline
Childhelp - National Child Abuse Hotline
The Hotline - National Domestic Violence Hotline

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Santiago interviews Charlotte Hayes (Charli), a Gen-Z ex-Adventist. She was adopted from Russia and brought to the U.S. as a baby by an Adventist couple. Growing up, Charli experienced emotional, physical, and sexual abuse at home. The police and Child Protective Services investigated, but nothing happened, so she ran away from home at 18. She now has over 500k people on TikTok who have been following her life story.

Charli's Links:
TikTok @charli.hayes
Instagram @charlihayes_
YouTube @charlihayes_

Resources / Topics Mentioned:
VeggieTales - Jericho Slushies
Battle (Genocide) of Jericho - Wikipedia
IBLP - Wikipeda
Shiny Happy People: Duggar Family Secrets
Alisa Williams' Thread on SDAs & Shiny Happy People
Katie Morton - Licensed Therapist, YouTuber
Religious Trauma-informed Therapists & Other Resources

Support for Victims of Abuse:
RAINN - National Sexual Assault Hotline
Childhelp - National Child Abuse Hotline
The Hotline - National Domestic Violence Hotline

Kati Morton Videos:
Abuse Topic Playlist
Sexual Abuse: How do we recover & how long does it take?
What is Consent, Assault & Harassment?
What's considered sexual abuse?
Struggling with childhood sexual abuse?
Healing from Sexual Abuse & Incest

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Santiago and Saoirse discuss their very different childhood experiences with Halloween and read some stories from the ex-Adventist subreddit. Abby, Ami, and friends talk around a bonfire (bone fire?) about their experiences with Halloween. That last part of the episode is a little loud, but there's some fun stuff if you're patient.

Topics Mentioned:
Scared Straight | Hell House - How Gay Thou Art Podcast
The Addams Family - Wikipedia
Wednesday (Netflix Show)
The Addams Family (1991 Film)
Addams Family Values (1993 Film)
Beetlejuice (1988 Film)
Killer Klowns From Outer Space (1988 Film)

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Credits: Abby and Ami, creators of the Seventh-day Atheist Podcast • Music: Hall of the Mountain King Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)• Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License

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Part 2 of 2: Santiago interviews Will James, an ex-Adventist husband, dad, lawyer, and TikToker based in the U.S. state of Oklahoma. We discuss writing wills for SDA church members, Will's deconstruction from Adventism, telling his parents, and navigating his own parental responsibilities after deconstructing at just the right moment.

Topics Mentioned:
Will's Law Practice Website
Will's TikTok (@will.i.jam)
Ada Lois Sipuel Fisher
Iyanla Vanzant "The past is present"
Rachel Held Evans (Author)
Peter Ennes (Author)
Non-binary Gender
Singular They
Left-handedness

Other Episodes Mentioned:
Melissa Duge Spiers Interview (S1E10 - Part 1)
Melissa Duge Spiers Interview (S1E11 - Part 2)

Matthew Vollmer Interview (S1E16 - Part 1)
Matthew Vollmer Interview (S1E17 - Part 2)

Race, Slavery, and Racism in Christianity and Adventism (S1E19)
The Amalgamation of Man and Beast!? (S1E20)

Adventist Estate Stories:
Bahamian Family Alleges $30 Million Fraud Involving 3ABN
SDA Church Stealing Estates
Grandma’s money went to 3ABN

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Part 1 of 2: Santiago interviews Will James, an ex-Adventist husband, dad, lawyer, and TikToker based in the U.S. state of Oklahoma. We discuss his parents' conversion to Adventism (along with 30 of their friends?!) when he was two years old. Will grew up with a very literal interpretation of the Bible and Ellen White's writings, and eventually deconstructed everything.
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Topics Mentioned:
Will's TikTok (@will.i.jam)
Oh No, Ross and Carrie - Amazing Facts Series
David Steward Amazing Facts Profile
Will's Blog - Broken Plates and Baptisms
Inception (Movie)

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Santiago interviews Morgan Clae, an ex-Adventist director, producer, and singer-songwriter based in Los Angeles. We discuss purity culture, her time at Walla Walla University, being a student missionary, deconstruction, and becoming agnostic. We also explore the meaning behind the lyrics of Wilder Things, Morgan's song on deconstruction and coming out.

Morgan's Links:
Morgan Clae Linktree
YouTube
Spotify
TikTok

Morgan's Music Mentioned:
Stay (Music Video)
Wilder Things
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Resources & Topics Mentioned:
Born Again Again Podcast
exAdventist Subreddit
The Greatest Showman
Jesus and John Wayne
Conservatives are upset their kids don’t want to spend Christmas with them

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