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Unreformed: the Story of the Alabama Industrial School for Negro Children

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In 1968, police arrested five Black girls dressed in oversized military fatigues in Montgomery. The girls were runaways, escaping from a state-run reform school called the Alabama Industrial School for Negro Children in Mount Meigs, Alabama. The girls were determined to tell someone about the abuse they’d suffered there: physical and sexual violence, unlivable facilities, and grueling labor in the fields surrounding the school. It was, as several former students called it, a slave camp.

UNREFORMED is the story of how this reform school derailed the lives of thousands of Black children in Alabama for decades and what happened after those five girls found someone willing to blow the whistle. Host Josie Duffy Rice investigates the history of the school at the tail end of the Civil Rights movement in Alabama and speaks to former students who are still haunted by their experience but had the will to survive.

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Vote now! UNREFORMED Nominated For Webby Award

2m · Published 09 Apr 16:00

Hi listeners! This is Josie Duffy Rice. We wanted to give you some good news and ask once more for your help, if you wouldn’t mind!

First the good news! I am so honored to tell you that Unreformed has won a few very exciting awards lately. We won an Ambie award for best history podcast of the year, an international women’s podcast award, and we also won TWO Signal Listener’s choice awards because of you and your votes. We are unbelievably grateful for this recognition. The opportunity to tell this story and bring more light to this dark chapter in our American history.

And now, Unreformed has been nominated for a Webby Award! This is very exciting. It's up for "Best Writing." We really really hope that you'll be willing to vote for us in the Webby People's Voice Award. You can cast your vote before April 18 at "

So, please vote for us and support us by going to this link. Click on PODCAST in the categories and find us in BEST WRITING. A direct link to the category is here.

The Deadline is April 18th to get your votes in. It has been the honor of a lifetime to be part of this project. Thank you SO much for listening AND voting.

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UNREFORMED Nominated for Signal Listener's Choice Awards - Vote now!

1m · Published 29 Sep 17:19

Unreformed has been nominated for two Signal Listener's Choice Award. Voting is open through October 5, 2023, you can vote for the show under "Best Host" and "History" in the Limited Series and Specials category. Link to vote is here.

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Introducing: Out of the Shadows

2m · Published 02 Sep 04:00

Out of the Shadows is a podcast about America's tangled history of immigration hosted by award-winning New York Times writer Erick Galindo and entrepreneur and best-selling author Patty Rodriguez. Season 2: Dreamers Last season, we tackled Ronald Regan’s 1986 amnesty act, Season 2 will trace the origins of DACA or Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, a contentious executive order to protect undocumented young people from being deported. Issued by former President Barack Obama in 2012, DACA was meant to be a temporary stop gap on a broken immigration system. Welcome to Season 2 of Out of the Shadows - Dreamers. Season 1: Children of 86 Immigrants and their children have long lived in the shadows of America, their destinies aren't just shaped by where they come from but by their particular place in history. In 1986, the lives of millions of immigrants and their children were changed by one lucky stroke of a pen by an unlikely ally, President Ronald Reagan. This podcast will examine the ripple effects the bill had on first-generation kids of immigrants who are navigating intergenerational mobility and transforming the cultural landscape. This is an untold story of luck, timing, triumph, opportunity, survival, and of course, hope.

Listen here and subscribe to Out of the Shadows on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts!

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Introducing: Queen Havoc and Her Murder Cult

2m · Published 31 May 02:45

Hi, Unreformed fans! Dive into how South African cult leader Cecilia Steyn leads her followers to kill 11 innocent people over the course of four years. Join host and filmmaker Kurt Kubicek as he travels to Krugersdorp, SA - a small mining town rocked by these brutal serial murders.

Listen to Queen Havoc and Her Murder Cult now on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts!

About Queen Havoc and Her Murder Cult: Serial Cult murders in South Africa bring on a deep, winding, decade-long investigation to uncover the criminal mastermind of Cecelia Steyn and those who followed her. She has been dubbed “The Charles Manson of South Africa.” Complete with corrupt cover-ups by police that would cost the lives of many, this cult case unravels itself to reveal dark truths about the cost of belonging and the nature of free will.

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Episode 8: Searching for Justice

44m · Published 08 Mar 06:00

In the final episode, we look at where Lonnie, Mary, Johnny, Jennie, Johnny Mack, and Denny are fifty years after leaving Mt. Meigs. We also look at how juvenile justice in America has evolved and how other juvenile reform schools that mistreated their students have atoned for their wrongs. And lastly, we get a glimpse into the current state of Mt. Meigs. Has it changed? Or is it the same place it was more than fifty years ago?

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Unreformed presents "5-4: Tanner v. United States."

48m · Published 07 Mar 14:00

Hey folks, Josie here! We wanted to share a show that we think you might like. It's called 5-4, and it's about how much the Supreme Court sucks. 5-4 is all about how the Supreme Court DOESN'T provide justice, and we think that will resonate with Unreformed listeners. 

If you like it, you can subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.

About 5-4: A podcast about how much the Supreme Court sucks. It’s a progressive and occasionally profane take on the ideological battles at the heart of the Court’s most important landmark cases and an irreverent tour of all the ways in which the law is shaped by politics. 

Listen each week as hosts Peter, Michael, and Rhiannon dismantle the Justices’ legal reasoning on hot-button issues like affirmative action, gun rights, and campaign finance, and use dark humor to reveal the high court’s biases. 

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Episode 7: The Aftermath

34m · Published 01 Mar 06:00

Many people who were incarcerated at Mt. Meigs as children ended up spending their entire lives tethered to the criminal legal system. Many were sentenced to life in prison. Many others were sentenced to death. This episode traces the lives of two of those people: Jesse James Andrews and Johnny Mack Young. 

If you or someone you know attended Mt. Meigs and would like to connect with us, please email [email protected]

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Episode 6: Scallawags and Carpetbaggers

41m · Published 21 Feb 06:00

Denny Abbott enlists the help of lawyer Ira Dement to sue the state of Alabama. What ensues is a years-long battle, multiple lawsuits, personal turmoil, but also...a glimmer of hope for the kids at Mt. Meigs. 

Special thanks to Denny Abbott and Douglas Kalajian for the use of their book, They Had No Voice: My Fight for Alabama's Forgotten Children.

If you or someone you know attended Mt. Meigs and would like to connect with us, please email [email protected]

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Episode 5: When Mary Met Denny

25m · Published 15 Feb 06:00

Mary Stephens and four other girls escape Mt. Meigs and are determined to tell someone about what's happened to them. Probation officer Denny Abbott must make a decision. 

If you or someone you know attended Mt. Meigs and would like to connect with us, please email [email protected]

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Episode 4: The Runaways

28m · Published 08 Feb 07:30

Since the 1920s, notices started appearing in the local newspapers near Mt. Meigs. They said things like "Six armed negroes escaped Mount Meigs Industrial School” or “Police seeking escape artist in burglary." 

In this episode, we hear about the tradition of running away at Mt. Meigs. Lonnie tells us about his experience running away and the harrowing consequences that led him to spend months on the rock pile. 

If you or someone you know attended Mt. Meigs and would like to connect with us, please email [email protected]

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Unreformed: the Story of the Alabama Industrial School for Negro Children has 14 episodes in total of non- explicit content. Total playtime is 6:02:41. The language of the podcast is English. This podcast has been added on February 22nd 2023. It might contain more episodes than the ones shown here. It was last updated on April 28th, 2024 03:40.

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